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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:18 pm BostonBullit All-City   Joined: Sep 8, 2002 Posts: 1075 Location: Boston, MA anyone that is a photo geek knows that one of the highest aspirations as a photographer is to shoot for National Geographic (and no, it's not just about shooting photos of topless african bushwomen). NG photographers are consistently responsible for some of the best images captured around the world every year and their catalog probably contains millions of photos covering more than 100yrs. Because of this standing in the photo community it was kind of important to me to see how they were reacting to the improvements in digital technology over there at NG. After all, it's hard for some stodgy old film freak to be a biggot when you can say "it's good enuff for geographic, so now you're better than NG?" anyway, this months cover story was shot entirely with a Nikon D1x (ok, two D1x) and the photos look great! there's a good story over on Rob Galbraith's site about getting approval and doing the story digital. It's not some biased "digital beats all" hogwash, they lay down the good and the bads of the whole thing with complete honesty. The good news is that it looks like they'll be doing a lot more digital in the future....so to the anti-digital biggots!!! Check it: http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-6450-6561 Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:19 pm brock Burner   Joined: Sep 30, 2002 Posts: 336 Location: Tacoma WA First of all: I hate reading my name that many times. Second: "and he travels with a case containing 22 Nikon shoe-mount flashes, including twelve Speedlight SB-80DX units" _________________ everyone sucks. yes even you Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 10:21 am BostonBullit All-City   Joined: Sep 8, 2002 Posts: 1075 Location: Boston, MA brock wrote: "and he travels with a case containing 22 Nikon shoe-mount flashes, including twelve Speedlight SB-80DX units" you noticed that too huh? and he also gets a large amount of shit "loaned" to him! Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:21 pm brock Burner   Joined: Sep 30, 2002 Posts: 336 Location: Tacoma WA BostonBullit wrote: you noticed that too huh? and he also gets a large amount of shit "loaned" to him! Yeah I need some shit "loaned" to me too. I'd be happy with 1 of those SB80's. _________________ everyone sucks. yes even you Re: A big day for digital photographers! Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 10:19 pm looseunit Burner   Joined: Nov 4, 2002 Posts: 103 You knew that was going to happen sooner rather than latter and I am guessing that with in 3-4 years that film will not be used for any comerical jobs. I have even heard a rumor that from somone that i know in the photographic trade that canon have and are developing a faster version of the 1ds with a full frame sensor and a higher frame rate which is in Australia at the moment. Imagine shooting a moving subjects with medium format quality, this opens door that were not there in the past. And with computers and flash card getting bigger and faster file size is becoming less important and print quality is getting better all the time. With this in mind large format will be dead very soon and so will 6*7, 6*6 and 645 digital will be the take the place of large/medium format. Re: A big day for digital photographers! Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 3:57 am dump All-City   Joined: Sep 9, 2002 Posts: 1285 Location: unnamed not that SI is on the same plain as NG, but i believe the good majority if not all the work in SI is digital & has been for a couple of years. _________________ i'm out Re: A big day for digital photographers! Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:22 pm BostonBullit All-City   Joined: Sep 8, 2002 Posts: 1075 Location: Boston, MA dump wrote: not that SI is on the same plain as NG, but i believe the good majority if not all the work in SI is digital & has been for a couple of years. true nuff...I think MOST of what you see in SI these days is digital. I remember the big tadoo a few years back when a 2.75MP D1 was used to do the double truck "Leading Off" section.... Re: A big day for digital photographers! Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 2:58 am grommet All-City   Joined: Sep 6, 2002 Posts: 1742 If want Nikon stuff loaned to you sign up on the pro program. You need to fill out a shit load of forms n' stuff but it was very worthwhile while I was a photographer. If one camera got busted I would drop it off and they would give me a loaner or I could call them up and borrow the exotic lenses. Canon has the same program. Helps too if you have a Nikon office in your city, but they do ship out lenses if you ask nice. Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 11:49 pm Sammydude Burner   Joined: Oct 15, 2003 Posts: 140 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Ive heard that for a couple of years now NG photos have be photoshopped pretty liberally. I dont know if this is true, but i was disappointed to hear it, the photography is so great, but I can never tell what was done with patience and a lens and what was done with a cursor. _________________ "whats their admissions test, shitting on the floor?"- Norton Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:18 pm BostonBullit All-City   Joined: Sep 8, 2002 Posts: 1075 Location: Boston, MA Sammydude wrote: Ive heard that for a couple of years now NG photos have be photoshopped pretty liberally. I dont know if this is true, but i was disappointed to hear it, the photography is so great, but I can never tell what was done with patience and a lens and what was done with a cursor. I have a hard time believing that aspects of the photos that are important are being altered by NG, either in photoshop or in the darkroom. People usually seem to be under the impression that photoshop has killed photo credability, and while that might be true for the 15yo pinkbike set, the fact of the matter is that a skilled oldtimer can do most of the same mods in a wet darkroom, or with an airbrush and some pens after the fact. it's just faster and easier in photoshop BostonBullit Re: A big day for digital photographers! Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:10 am Honeywell Bomber   Joined: Sep 10, 2002 Posts: 87 Location: Washington The final note on this equipment/technical stuff is that National Geographic does not digitally manipulate their images. When digital manipulation first started to show up on the commercial scene 10 to 15 years ago, someone at National Geographic apparently published a picture of the Egyptian Pyramids after digitally moving one of the pyramids. There was so much flack over this, that the magazine has not ventured into this new technology since. Taken from http://www.photo.net/photo/workshops/abell That article was written in 97, so maybe things have changed since then, I dunno. Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:44 am JohnnyNitro Tagger   Joined: Jun 17, 2004 Posts: 46 Location: Long Island N.Y. I have a hard time believing that aspects of the photos that are important are being altered by NG, either in photoshop or in the darkroom. People usually seem to be under the impression that photoshop has killed photo credability, and while that might be true for the 15yo pinkbike set, the fact of the matter is that a skilled oldtimer can do most of the same mods in a wet darkroom, or with an airbrush and some pens after the fact. it's just faster and easier in photoshop BostonBullit[/quote]I agree. I just converted to 100% Digital about a year ago. Before that I did all large format photography and everyone would ask me if my images were digitally altered. They were not! I did everything in camera right on the film. Now I do it in Photoshop. It saves my clients money and it takes me less time. But it is still the same creative process. Peace out... _________________ http://www.delophoto.com Re: A big day for digital photographers! Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:39 pm spincrazy All-City   Joined: Sep 7, 2002 Posts: 539 Location: NYC .. Last edited by spincrazy on Sat Sep 18, 2004 10:53 am; edited 1 time in total _________________ Smoke cigarettes Re: A big day for digital photographers! Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:06 pm BostonBullit All-City   Joined: Sep 8, 2002 Posts: 1075 Location: Boston, MA spincrazy wrote: I've made my living manipulating digital images for some time now. A good living. I just bought a new medium format camera, a film camera.. ma boi spin's a hardCore filmer ....looks like Hassy has finally seen the writing on the wall http://www.dpreview.com/news/0408/04081701hasselbladimacon.asp. nothing wrong with film at all...if you got the time and the $$ then there's no better feeling than looking at a kick ass shot you took thru a loupe on a light table. still miss that feeling Peter Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:29 pm Toshi Kingpin   Joined: Sep 6, 2002 Posts: 2074 Location: seattle yo peter, please surf on over to cameracourage.com and comment on the 20D. i need your blessing before i get on a waitlist . whistler trips 1 and 2 were fun btw Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:15 pm BostonBullit All-City   Joined: Sep 8, 2002 Posts: 1075 Location: Boston, MA Toshi wrote: yo peter, please surf on over to cameracourage.com and comment on the 20D. i need your blessing before i get on a waitlist . whistler trips 1 and 2 were fun btw meant to comment on your thread but my damn employer wanted me to do actual work last week...can you believe that shit? getting ready to head out to my SILs wedding rehersal dinner and stay for the wedding tomorrow so I'll just give you the short version of my approval here now: call 4 different places and get on all the lists. The specs look great, the price looks great, but you never know about the output (the ultimate goal) until the thing actually hits the streets. get on the lists now, if you get the call before you get feedback from other actual owners then buy it. if it sucks then you still shouldn't have a problem reselling it for what you paid because there are going to be a bazillion people waiting for one Peter