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How many times have you or someone you've known recieved a false time for your downhill run?
Never
27%
[ 3 ]
This one guy did
36%
[ 4 ]
I think twice
18%
[ 2 ]
Happened at least three or more time
18%
[ 2 ]
Total Votes : 11
Time Error
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:12 pm
prophetjz
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Has this ever happened to anyone?
Thanks for nothing Plattekill. My name is Jon Zerbe #44. I raced collegiate for Bloomsburg University in Men's A this past weekend (Oct 14th). $48 dollars got me a false time by the timing staff and the half asleep course marshals. My number plate may have been a flipped over number plate with my number written in sharpie, but keeping track of riders should have been easy since we were going in order of our numbers; #42 before me and #48 behind me. First my time wasn't even posted, when I notified Joe Kopena from the ECCC he went into the timing booth for a long time, came out and told me I had a time of 6:06. Which compared to the other guys was slow, so I went back to look at the results in my class. Puzzled, I went back to Joe told him the guy behind me, #48, ran a time of 4:50. Since they sent riders in 30 sec intervals, and I didnt get passed or even had anyone close behind me, this time is impossible. I was told nothing could be done about it. Now, I'm usually just outside the top ten, my team already had enough points for first, and I wasnt in any point contention for overall in the year, so I tried to leave it at that. But this morning I still woke up uneasy about it. I know it wasnt the ECCC's or Joe's fault since plattekill ran both the DH and the DS.
I've been racing downhill off and on since 2002, and I've never heard of a rider getting a time this screwed up.
Re: Time Error
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:02 pm
boogenman
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MAN! 6:06! that is a crappy time, you must have taken a nap during your run.
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:09 pm
Taz
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I was in the timing booth when the guy from the ECCC came to check on your time. I am not saying it is right or wrong. I am saying that they do their absolute best to resolve timing issues immediately while also trying to time everyone that is currently on the course. It's a very busy situation in that booth during the race. I was sitting on the floor doing points for the GES series while they were announcing, coordinating with the course marshals (most of which were the Westpoint Cadets), timing the racers, and announcing.
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:21 pm
bfrich
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Probably should have spoke up after your race.
In my experience - as in most races i have attended. There is a 15 minute protest period after that your out of luck.
Posting to a internet forum does little, but I guess it helps you blow off steam.
All in all considering the huge undertaking of running multiple events in one weekend, I really thought the whole process went pretty smoothly, a little delay in the start times but we all survived.
Thanks Plattekill for a great event.
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:22 pm
spinteck
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Why didn't you go to the booth and handle the situation yourself?? Do your best to find the problem and at worst case request a rerun. Laz and crew are very accomodating.
If you woke up uneasy, did you email Platty and ask for a response??
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:29 pm
Taz
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bfrich wrote:
All in all considering the huge undertaking of running multiple events in one weekend, I really thought the whole process went pretty smoothly, a little delay in the start times but we all survived.
And the delay was a function of the multiple events. Took a lot of coordination to run all those 200+ people down the mountain on two different courses that intersected one another. The timing system had to be loaded with that many different classes. Then it was like a shift change between classes. When Pro/expert and A/B classes were finished all the course marshals had to quickly reconfigure the race course and report back in when done.
That timing booth was hectic.... one guy on a radio to the course marshals, Laz on the headphones with the starter, and the guy on the mic announcing looking over Laz's shoulder, and the person typing up the times on the results system. I lost my train of thought several times trying to do the GES points with 4 way conversations taking place.
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:37 pm
deadatbirth
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spinteck wrote:
Why didn't you go to the booth and handle the situation yourself?? Do your best to find the problem and at worst case request a rerun. Laz and crew are very accomodating.
If you woke up uneasy, did you email Platty and ask for a response??
of course he didnt. he thought they would read it here on Hcor and say "oh, he's right, lets fix it now."
if someone has been racing since 2002 then one should know that there is a protest time period after your race run. Im sure in the 5 years someone has been racing there has been a fault or two somewhere along the way.
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:39 pm
deadatbirth
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Taz wrote:
I was sitting on the floor doing points for the GES series while they were announcing, coordinating with the course marshals (most of which were the Westpoint Cadets), timing the racers, and announcing.
maybe they shoulda used Navy or Fly Boys instead... jk....it was fun watching that cadet eat it on the camper drop though.
Re: Time Error
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:50 pm
prophetjz
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I was told to wait outside the timing booth. I was also told about three times they couldn't do anything for me. I didn't want to drag it out, but I guess I should of flipped shEt anyway. I don't know, whats the difference between what I did and a protest? Besides what happened to me, the race was awesome, I'm not gonna put down anything else.
deadatbirth, has it ever happened to you?
Re: Time Error
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:07 pm
deadatbirth
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prophetjz wrote:
I was told to wait outside the timing booth. I was also told about three times they couldn't do anything for me. I didn't want to drag it out, but I guess I should of flipped shEt anyway. I don't know, whats the difference between what I did and a protest? Besides what happened to me, the race was awesome, I'm not gonna put down anything else.
deadatbirth, has it ever happened to you?
in the 9 years ive been riding/racing there, its happened to me 3 times. with those 3 times i was granted a re-run and did 2 out of the 3 re-runs....the third time it happened i was too wasted/tired to bother doing it again.
unfortunately stuff like this happens with so many racers there. what did you actually say to Laz or whoever was in the timing booth?
the people i know who have had issues with their times, clearly stated that there was a timing error. it was either because someone got passed and numbers got mixed up, or the timer didnt properly start. everyone i know was granted a re-run if they wanted to fix the issue. if you finished with a 6:06 time and everyone else was clearly faster and you didnt get passed, then there obviously was a timing issue.
i dont know this Joe cat nor do i know the collegiate rules, but you should have been granted a re-run...unless im missing something here.
Re: Time Error
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:43 pm
cashguru
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Quote:
whats the difference between what I did and a protest?
Where was the USAC-appointed and paid Chief Judge? Acting under the auspices of the Chief Referee, he is solely responsible for protests regarding order of finish. His decision is final and cannot be appealed.
As fare as I can tell, no one who has been mentioned in this thread: Laz, Laz's crew, Brady, ECCC, Joe, USMA, the marshals, etc. have any responsibility other than to kindly point you in the direction of the USAC OFFICIAL. The correct lodging of the protest is your responsibility. The examination and resolution of the protest is the responsibility of the Chief Judge, or in the absence of the Chief Judge, the Chief Referee.
Re: Time Error
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:01 pm
prophetjz
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I guess it happens more often than I realize. No one mentioned the possibility of a rerun. I guess I brought it up too late to do a rerun anyway since they switched to the sport course by then. I was so tired and cold my rerun prolly would have crapped the bed. I just didn't know how else to handle it other than bringing it up earlier after the race. I don't race enough at plattekill to know who the officials are outside of the box. Throwing a pissfit wouldnt have changed anything, except making me look like a bigger jackass. If there's anything else I guess post it, otherwise forget it and sorry I started this topic.
Re: Time Error
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:02 pm
deadatbirth
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cashguru wrote:
Quote:
whats the difference between what I did and a protest?
Where was the USAC-appointed and paid Chief Judge? Acting under the auspices of the Chief Referee, he is solely responsible for protests regarding order of finish. His decision is final and cannot be appealed.
As fare as I can tell, no one who has been mentioned in this thread: Laz, Laz's crew, Brady, ECCC, Joe, USMA, the marshals, etc. have any responsibility other than to kindly point you in the direction of the USAC OFFICIAL. The correct lodging of the protest is your responsibility. The examination and resolution of the protest is the responsibility of the Chief Judge, or in the absence of the Chief Judge, the Chief Referee.
who the hell is the chief judge or referee there?? Ed?
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:10 pm
spinteck
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this is a good lesson not just in racing, but all that stupid life stuff. always be there to handle your problems or contractors, realtors, managers, salespeople, whoever will not represent your best interest. Be present and assertive, but not annoying. Wish I would have learned this stuff in my twenties.
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Re: Time Error
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:14 pm
cashguru
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who the hell is the chief judge or referee there??
He or she is, theoretically, the one wearing the gray or khaki slacks, skirt or shorts with a light blue shirt and a "USA Cycling Official" emblem visible on the front of the uniform.
Just out of curiosity, do you know who signed the official results that were posted after the race? That is usually done by the chief referee.
Re: Time Error
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:15 pm
deadatbirth
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prophetjz wrote:
I guess it happens more often than I realize. No one mentioned the possibility of a rerun. I guess I brought it up too late to do a rerun anyway since they swit
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