Don't have an account yet? You can create one. As a registered user you have some advantages like theme manager, comments configuration and post comments with your name.
he was willing to do nothing, not one ounce of course maintenace, when first confronted about it at 10:30. "if people don't want to show up to make the courses they can take what they get, i'm not changing anything" was what we were told.
"shut up and ride" is starting sound more like "we don't care"
I think he was willing to do a bit more then nothing. He himself went up the mountain and worked with a bunch of other people to cut the option. Perhaps intially he disregarded a persons comments because he was getting mixed vibes. There is always one person who has to bitch about something. If Laz sprung into action based upon that first persons concern a lot of people would be upset with "easy" courses. Unfortunatley negative feedback by a few speaks much louder then positive feedback. Listening to the first few people has burned Laz in the past. Point is he waited it out to get a better census of what people thought. In the end an option was made to go left for those that thought the right was too hard and the right remained a choice for those who voiced to him that it was fine the way it was.
Last edited by Prometheus on Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:28 am; edited 1 time in total
Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:20 am
jonkranked
Burner
Joined: Jan 18, 2006
Posts: 128
I was at Platty the weekend before the race. It was DEAD. there were maybe a dozen riders top both Saturday and Sunday, not count a group of about 20 girl scouts or something from a camp not far away apparently. Had a chance to talk to Laz that weekend, and apparently After the first weekend or two, this is how its been all season excluding the race weekends. They had a slow ski season because of weather, and now they are having a slow summer. Considering this situation, you'd think he'd be more receptive to the input from the people who are actually there. Based on his responses to rider input it seems as if he is only driving people away.
I still plan on going to Platty. I have every intention of doing the rest of the races. Once I move back to Rochester Plattekill will actually be about an hour+ closer to me, so I'll probably be spending more time there than Diablo.
_________________ braaaaaaaaaaaaaap
Re: Plattekill Race 3...
Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:25 am
oldschool
Toy
Joined: Jul 17, 2006
Posts: 4
I've been riding and racing at Plattekill for 7+ years...I've seen a lot of different style courses layed out over time (Extreme, Flow, etc.).
The Extreme courses of old as I recall seemed to always have a section or two or three that would get everyones interest up, One because it was technical and two because it was challenging. They still had flow with some extreme built in.
In addition they usually had some option line (safety) built in that gave riders the choice to use different lines.
If it wasnt a great place to ride I would'nt be going back there time and time again.
But, if you all think the last two courses are vintage Plattekill then I beg to differ, becasue I have riden just about every couse thats exisisted the past 7 years and these last two course to me don't represent all of what Plattekill has been in the past years.
Re: Plattekill Race 3...
Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:36 am
RTM
Burner
Joined: Sep 23, 2005
Posts: 307
Location: Bridgewater
my 2 cents...
the riders expect to have to make suggestions before they even get there, the owner expects to hear "bitching". any exchange is already doomed.
my suggestion is to appoint one person as the head trail builder, someone who doesn't have a bias toward one side or the other and is willing to work with the riders. Now, that doesn't mean they have to pave Plattekill. Just take some of the constructive criticism for what it's worth. let the riders deal with that person and put all trail issues on his shoulders. forget all the bad blood and get a fresh start.
it sounds like Laz has had it, and he reacted emotionally. I can understand that to a point, I mean it's A LOT of work cutting a trail. Unfortunately as the owner you just aren't allowed to get upset publicly. a small group think they are coming to his defense but in reality, you're creating a feeling that intermediate or cautious riders, or those with suggestions aren't welcome. I can't imagine he'd want his regulars sticking up for him by chasing away business. If that's really what he wants then he's on his own, and it's unfortunately a matter of time before Platty shuts down in the summer.
Re: Plattekill Race 3...
Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:12 am
KillerTrees
Burner
Joined: Oct 04, 2004
Posts: 106
General Lee wrote:
you've much to learn if you equate the constructive criticism and feedback offered by many as "bithing moaning crying whining"
seems there is a group of riders, for whatever reason, who kling to the idea tha plattekill is the greatest place to ride/race period, regardless of track design, and their general attitude is for the rest of us to piss off. well, should you get what you ask for you'll be left with an even smaller crowd than is riding there already and as a result might not have a mountain left to ride on at all.
there is a growing consensus that the quality of the race courses at plattekill have taken a turn for the worst lately. call it what you want, but if the paying racers stop showing up there isn't going to be any race series there at all. and with all the other races going on these days plattekill might not be missed.
the point that seems to be missed consistently accross this thread is not that a 15 sec chute was dangerous though apparently it was thought to be so by many in attendance. my major complaint, as is the feeling of the majority who spoke up on saturday, was the the entire course--almost top to bottom--was a lark. straight chutes, minimal turns, fresh cut, over grown, didn't flow together at all, was covered in leaves, and was easily the worst course i have ridden down in 13 yrs of racing.
disagree with you Ganeral Lee. the courses the last 4 years have been and built with more of the "speed" idea in mind. you havent not raced there much over that time so you cant really offer a constructive opinion on what is going on there. the course IMO have been alot about fitness burn and less about technical downhilling, basically they have generally leaned to be almost ‘sport’ courses. so this year the first three course have been a bit more technical and steeper. nothing has been unsafe or unrideable.
But lets look at the what that trail really was this weekend.
the top section of this last course was recylced trail from 2004. It gets ridden every weekend. Then into the new trail, what about 45 seconds of new trail ? The first half of which was just excellent dicey technical trail. nothing steep or crazy, basic stuff. Then into the 7 year old chute with a new entrance that had a built-in safety line. The safetly line has been there forever, its about 5 feet wide plenty easy to stear straight on to. the across the road into old trail for 10 feet into about 50 feet of new trail that had the stump problem this is true. Then after that about 1:30 of exsisting trail that been ridden THOUSANDS of times.
Agreed, one section could have been cleared better but it did have a safety line. But you calling the whole course a lark. That is wrong.
Re: Plattekill Race 3...
Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:40 am
TeddyC33
All-City
Joined: Mar 16, 2005
Posts: 595
Location: Redding CT
pterodactyl wrote:
I will bite the shit out of you fuckers.
Also, if you are or know or are the kids that were screaming at 1am Sat. night, this is directed to them/ you:
I am generally a hate filled person with no interest in being friendly to anyone. I have spent 34 years suppressing a deep seeded anger. Losing sleep because of some kids who just got their first pubic hairs makes me want to kill someone.
If you do that again, it is likely that I will do 1 of 4 things:
Option 1: punch you repeatedly in the face
Option 2: set you on fire
Option 3: fling human fecal matter at you
Option 4: park my vehicle on your head while you are sleeping
Have a nice day.
completely agree--- they were f**king flashing lights and doing other bullshit which makes me want to kill them
Re: Plattekill Race 3...
Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:05 pm
DHteamrider28
Bomber
Joined: May 25, 2006
Posts: 70
Location: Cherry Hill, NJ (about 1 hour away from any decent mountains, but once there its all worth it)
After thinking about this last night, i kinda realized that it really isnt anyones fault. I wasnt there, (and i really dont deserve a say in this, but whatever) and reading about it did scare me quite a bit, so i just hope noone holds any grudges against anyone for this. I really dont want to lash out at lazlo or anyone from platty for something like this, because from what i remember last year, lazlo was just an awesome dude. So i think everyone should just focus on making the rest of the season as great as it was last year. (especially since i'm actually gonna be there ) Platty was/is/always will be an awesome place for riding in my book, so lets keep it that way. thank you for not biting my head off for doing this post
oh yea, if it turns out i know any of the kids that were doing stupid stuff at night (the yelling or w/e) i will personally punch them in the face for you guys. it sounds like kids my age (16 year olds) would do stupid shit like that, and i would pissed off if anyone did that n didnt let me sleep.
_________________ Ride with passion and heart!
Team DownCycles
RIP to those that aren't with us anymore
Re: Plattekill Race 3...
Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:54 pm
sark
Bomber
Joined: Jul 8, 2003
Posts: 61
WTF is a liftie neck?
Re: Plattekill Race 3...
Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:11 pm
konahucker43
All-City
Joined: Mar 22, 2004
Posts: 1278
Location: on the shitter
sark wrote:
WTF is a liftie neck?
\
by definition it is a redneck who happens to be employed at the mountain as a lift attendant.
Re: Plattekill Race 3...
Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:27 pm
boogenman
Kingpin
Joined: Sep 17, 2003
Posts: 2501
Location: Amherst, NY
taffy is delicious
_________________ Ride a road bike 26" wheels are for gays
Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:39 pm
Huck_Banzai
All-City
Joined: Sep 26, 2005
Posts: 1065
STFUEOOYPHM!
_________________ Blah blah blah. . . . .
Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:41 pm
b1k3_r1d3r
All-City
Joined: Feb 02, 2004
Posts: 1020
Location: East coast hardcore!
yeah so im just agreeing with every one who is saying that a race course in general should be racing people not the trail. i also think its bs how every one was calling people pussys and shit for not wanting to end up injured at the end of the weekend. f**k racing if its not fun. i rode both options but disliked them immensely.
also i only plan on returning to plattekill next race on the sunday if i hear the course is good on saturday. if not laz is no longer getting any of my money for his piss poor business attitude
_________________ Crankfire Racing
Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:14 am
ViciousDHer
All-City
Joined: Nov 10, 2002
Posts: 1119
Location: Upstate New York
I can understand both sides of this arguement. I was one of the first to ride the course on Saturday morning and returned to the parking lot laughing like crazy, assuming this very thing was gonna happen. Yes the rain Saturday was totally unexpected and kinda ruined a presumed good day of riding, The rain kinda made everyone miserable,Lazlo and riders included. that said I like platty and will continue to support the series. The next race will be laid out by Jay and I'm sure it will be fun. Now the screaming like little girls sounded kinda gay. I do know it wasn't the JrXers as they were very serious this weekend and kind of suprised Me by going to sleep before 11pm. Their competion is fierce and tight at the same time. The next time this sh*t happens We should form a posse and take care of buisness,
Re: Plattekill Race 3...
Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:45 pm
shuttle
Toy
Joined: Nov 19, 2005
Posts: 24
Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:19 pm
b1k3_r1d3r
All-City
Joined: Feb 02, 2004
Posts: 1020
Location: East coast hardcore!
u my friend r a fucked up prick
_________________ Crankfire Racing
Re: Plattekill Race 3...
Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:57 pm
boogenman
Kingpin
Joined: Sep 17, 2003
Posts: 2501
Location: Amherst, NY
There is one thing I think Lazlo can change for the ret of the season, no more rain!
If it rains at another race I am going to bad mouth plattekill real bad
_________________ Ride a road bike 26" wheels are for gays
Hcor.net Features
Pictures and Videos
Home
Members :
) Platty was/is/always will be an awesome place for riding in my book, so lets keep it that way. thank you for not biting my head off for doing this post 
