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is it just me or things were a bit disorganized this weekend?
neways, the courses were pretty fun and the crackers and cheese were good... what u guys/girls think?
Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:35 pm
Al3xMa
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i liked the course, apparently there was some severe bitching going on by the transend guys. that caused all of the course problems. it could have all been avoided if the people who are "professionals" didn't cry about a course that they were scared to ride. other than that i had a great time this weekend.
Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:00 pm
b1k3_r1d3r
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course was unsafe to ride. at the time they rode it early morning saturday there was like 6-10 in of stumps sticking up in the fresh cut areas, it wasnt raked out u couldnt see what was under the 6 inches of grass. and it wasnt only the transcend guys cuz im not one of them and i believe it sucked also and didnt race, racing should be fun and locking ur brakes and sliding down a hill hoping to make the turn to me isnt to much fun. and i lost total respect for laz for all the shit it talked today like the signs and the cheese and cracker bs. so well looked like the plattekill turn out is dying down because i didnt see one lot packed and they just lost another monthly racer because im not going back to be critized by some one who wouldnt ride the terrain himself. and also riding trails made by people who dont ride bikes. well thats a good idea
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:07 pm
Pip3r
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what a mess.
i hope they can get their shit together because it could be so good but they really need to get some people building up there that know what their doing.
i dont think new trails need to be cut theres plenty of trails they just need to link together whats already cut because those r the fastest trails.
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:57 am
WillC
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Al3xMa wrote:
i liked the course, apparently there was some severe bitching going on by the transend guys. that caused all of the course problems. it could have all been avoided if the people who are "professionals" didn't cry about a course that they were scared to ride. other than that i had a great time this weekend.
alex im sorry thats bullshit. that course sucked.
dave and lee are both better riders than you and kurt, thats a fact. and its not that we were scared to ride it, its that it was unsafe to have as a race course.
you saw the outcome yourself. not one of us in jr x came down without crashing, brian seriously hurt himself and paul's tooth almost went through his lip. I personally crashed 5 or 6 times.
thats rediculous, stop trying to seem like a hardass. the courses need a change.
Re: Plattekill Race 3...
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:28 am
KillerTrees
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The stomps should have been cut lower, especially on such a steep slick course.
The loud whining echoed through the valley, like a grown infant with a toothache.
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:30 am
Al3xMa
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im not saying that the course didn't need some changing, im just saying that there is no need to make the beginner course the main course. i dont see how this course was so different from junes race? you say this course was dangerous, isn't dh always dangerous? if people call themselfs professionals, they should be able to ride what ever is thrown at them. thats a fact. i garentee if lars was there he would have road it without complaint.
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:40 am
KillerTrees
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Al3xMa wrote:
i garentee if lars was there he would have road it without complaint.
Lars would have been salivating and having a wet dream at the same time on that course.
It was a good course, the new sections were awesome classic, steep technical plattekill. The COURSE wasnt anymore severe than May or JUNE, it was just the rain made it scary.
BUT, they should have done a better job with the stumps.
Re: Plattekill Race 3...
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:49 am
pterodactyl
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Tough course, but I didn't think it needed to be changed that badly. I'm pretty sure crashing might be part of DH. If the course is too hard and you crash repeatedly, it might be time to slow down a little and regain control. There was nothing in that course that was un-rideable. Put your armor on, ride cautiously, and have fun. If you don't like the course, then don't race.
Lazlo did the right thing and cut the stumps. I don't think the alternate was necessary, but was more fun to ride and I think was probably faster. The bitching that continued, the petition, etc was not needed. The cardboard sign was put up by other riders.
If you don't like Plattekill or the courses that they cut, then either don't go or help them cut them.
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:36 am
davetrump
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WillC wrote:
Al3xMa wrote:
i liked the course, apparently there was some severe bitching going on by the transend guys. that caused all of the course problems. it could have all been avoided if the people who are "professionals" didn't cry about a course that they were scared to ride. other than that i had a great time this weekend.
alex im sorry thats bullshit. that course sucked.
dave and lee are both better riders than you and kurt, thats a fact. and its not that we were scared to ride it, its that it was unsafe to have as a race course.
you saw the outcome yourself. not one of us in jr x came down without crashing, brian seriously hurt himself and paul's tooth almost went through his lip. I personally crashed 5 or 6 times.
thats rediculous, stop trying to seem like a hardass. the courses need a change.
bitching about a course they were scared to ride? ahahahahahahahahahah...
you only look like a fool when you say stuff like that. didn't you learn after 20 people chewed you out on sat. for saying they were lame/pussies for not liking the course not to spout off lies and bullshit? i was't gonna post anything about this weekend until you made it personal
who is this guy, and where does he think he can get off making shit like this up? being one of the "transcend guys" i can asure you that you have no clue what you are talking about. there was no severe bitching... just offereing to help and with the support of about 20 other people. a lot of people spoke to laz about the course and his response was "the pro's all love it" so a handful of pro riders joined in to support our fellw racers in getting some changes made.... apperently laz would not take anyone seriously unless they were "pro". personally i had no problems riding the course and never found it dangerous to me... but that was not the case for many of the riders.... and it is classic that laz and the hardcore grom squad try to pin it on two pro riders to make them selves look more "hardcore".
no less then 25 riders approached laz about fixing parts of the course (sections that were a foot deep in leaves, had 10" stumps sticking out, etc etc)... his response was basically for us to all f**k off, even when we offered to help.
people do not get it... the course was not that hard it just flat out sucked. you pay a lot of $$ and get some half ass thrown together crap like that to race on is total BS, that was my issue.
the re routes came because a handful of people asked for them.. i recal one guy telling laz "hey man, i am 38 and have 2 kids at home" when giving his reason for wanting a option around some sections.
i do not know who started the petition... but i signed it to supprt the riders, not laz. people want good courses, safe fun and challenging... this was not of those (no i do not think skiding down through leaves is a any of those). a 100% fresh cut course made by someone who does not ride bikes makes for a shit course... even worse is that this person is open to ZERO suggestion.
alexma... you and your sidekick spent the whole weekend trying to be "hardcore" saying everyone was lame or scared or whtever... but you really just made yourself look like a fool. your counter culture teen angst or whatever you want to call it got real old. you are just one more shit talking little grom who has no clue... keep it hardcore little guy.
yeah i packed up and left and went to ride and support a mountain that puts in an effort, not because of the course, but because laz and his bullshit... he is killing what used to be a great place to ride and race
Yeah i agree. I think that the fact that Laz was cursing everything and everybody, giving a stupid nasty attitude when the race run times weren't correct (in one case a rider was missing on the ranker), and then making fun of those who decided to leave the mountain was really unprofessional and i told him straight out he made me not wanna go there anymore, you just dont treat riders like shit and expect them to go back there.
Re: Plattekill Race 3...
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:52 am
oldschool
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As I sit here and read each of your post, I would have to say I agree with each and everyone of you as there really is no one answer that is correct.
We are all individuals and expect differnt things from our "sport", the fact is DH racing is extreme in it self. Riding your bikes down the mountain (Any Mountain) as fast as you can from point A to Point B has its challenges and risk, some more than others.
To me its about competing against each other on courses that allow us to push ourselves to our maximum capabilities, I do not think that the last two Plattekill courses allowed all of the riders that same opportunity.
I think Laz is trying to get back that old Plattekill feel of what the courses use to be like and thats o.k. we are individuals and what works for one does not always work fot the other.
I prefer a different style of course than we rode this past weekend, but I competed by my own choice. I am not afraid to say that there were many occassions (Sat. & Sun.) that I asked my self why I was riding this course but it didnt stop me from continuing on with the challenge.
Last remarks,
Laz, we come to your mountain because we enjoy riding our bikes and racing each other. To me the last two events were about racing the mountain and not the other competitiors.
We are your customers, if we are happy, I am sure you will be too.
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:27 am
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def. gonna have to agree with the last post.. i rode the courses, and just kept, going but that was the thing, i was racing the course not the people. I remember way back in the day at pkill the race courses were more of who could survive the course with like 6fters w/ roots ontop with instant right handed turn.. not saying i cant ride that stuff.. just not race it, cuz racing is about riding against other riders, not trying to make it down the course.
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Re: Plattekill Race 3...
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:05 am
jonkranked
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I definitely agree with oldschool and DHJUNKIE. Racing should be competing against other riders, not the mountain. Originally they were going to run sport class down the pro/ex line as well.
In terms of the bigger picture regarding downhill racing, it is nowhere as big or as popular as it used to be (however it does seem to be on an upswing). There is no prize money coming from NORBA for gravity events, the only prizes and cash payouts seem to be coming from event sponsors, and even then its minimal. Also there is minimal coverage by the media (aside from bike related magazines and websites). DH racing doesn't seem to have any sort of glamorous appeal that other sports do to non-participants. Based on these facts, it would seem like a logical explanation for the minimal increase in DH racers. Courses such as the pro/ex line from this past weekend do not encourage most racers. When you are more concerned about the course (and your own safety) than the competitors, something is wrong. Yes downhilling is inherently a dangerous sport, but for some (many?) people this past weekend, the course crossed the line from just risks associated with the sport to being unnecessarily dangerous. I know that Platty has historically been an extremely difficult place to race, but if people are consistently more worried about the course terrain than other racers, they will stop racing. And then we all lose. Just my $.02 on the subject.
Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:09 am
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davetrump wrote:
yeah i packed up and left and went to ride and support a mountain that puts in an effort, not because of the course, but because laz and his bullshit... he is killing what used to be a great place to ride and race
On that note I agree with what you said in regards to the Mt. St. Anne course. I wish we had more courses like that again, we used to have a few on the old side from what I recall.
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