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Well said Eric,
I spent most of the day Saturday clearing trees, only got 5 runs in,
But Sunday was 15 runs of pure P-killin heaven.
Guys it's just the way Plattekill is. Best thing to do on opening weekend if you do not want to clear trees, just wait for the next weekend.
T.O.
Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 9:47 am
c2g
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E. Fleming wrote:
If you don't like what they give you, don't return. It's pretty simple, and it's probably better that way. Either that or pick up a rake and do-it-yourself.
What a brilliant business model. Charge people to ride on your mountain, expect free labor, and chase them off if they have any constructive criticism. Pure genius. I don't know about anyone else on here, but the whole "soup nazi" schtick doesn't fly with me. That kind of attitude may work in Manhattan, but not on a mountain out in the middle of nowhere. Are you just a rider, or do you speak on behalf of the management?
PS - Tell you what. I'll let bygones be bygones if the lift operators at the top let me in on some of that fine-smelling blaze they were enjoying Saturday afternoon. The one kid almost fell over when he came out to grab a bike off the lift.
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 9:53 am
E. Fleming
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c2g:
I'm a rider. I havn't missed a single race at pkill or diablo in the past 6 seasons. I purchase season passes to both hills, and ride both as much as I can. I used to cut race trails at pkill, but my career doesn't afford me the free time to do it anymore.
I also don't care for McDonalds. I had a bad experience, and decided to never go back. I know that millions and millions do enjoy that type of food, and thats fine with me. I don't patronize their business - that's how I roll.
Can you relate?
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 9:54 am
KillerTrees
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loudog wrote:
Opening day should be free if there is work involved with me stopping, getting off my bike and moving a tree.
Usually that's what he does, on opening weekend it was a work day then free lift ticket the following day and thats how it should be. He shoud he have done that this year also.
Those of you calling Lazlo lazy are out of your F'ing mind piece.
Those of you whining about the trails or the state of the sport keep on whining it makes you and the sport look sooooo good.
Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 10:00 am
DHJUNKIE
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damn this whole thing turned real ugly real fast..... but for all you guys that will be at pkill i'll see ya this weekend and to all you going to mt. creek opening day, ill see you there too.
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 10:10 am
KamikazeVick
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Dude, opening weekend was great. Sunday there wasnt a lot of ppl, but the trails were great and even tho there were some trees on the way the whole vibe was just great. everybody should just stop bitchin about everything, i mean its not like everybody helped clean the trails and build stuff before the opening.
as far as the lifts concern, i carried the bike on me and i didnt have to wait as much as lazy ppl did.
so stop crying about everything and do something about it, and if you dont like it, theres always road bikes.... there u wont have to lift trees from the floor or make lines to get a run.
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 11:04 am
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its pretty easy to cary your bike too, i just put my fork lower on the edge of the seat, then my rear wheel sits on the inside of the vertical support bar, other than keeping a hand on it i dont have to carry any weight on it.
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 11:16 am
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First off I am still amazed about this talk about leaf blowers. WTF do you do with a leaf blower at a mountain????? Are you serious about blowing leaves off the trails? That is sooooo pathetic if that is the case. Second the owner of Diablo is NOT the owner of the Mountain. I believe that is the mega resort known as Intrawest. They pay the taxes, maintain the parking lots, parking staff and sooo much more..... I love constructive feedback but hate when people rant about shit they just dont know about. The attacks against Laz are just uncalled for. "Get of his ass and out on the mountain" Do you ever see the owner of Intrawest out building trails or tunning rental
bikes? Do you have the slightest idea what his job is like day to day? This is a mom and pop resort. Not a couple of guys running a bike park behind the curtains of a MEGA resort. So bring on the constructive feedback and drop the talk of Laz being lazy.
As far as the leaf blower comment... think about it a little bit. When leaves pile up you cannot see what kind of debris are below them. When this happens and a rider gets hurt, its not usually very good for the owner to be sued (NO I would never sue because thats how i was raised, but there are plenty of people in the world today that would). Its thinkin like this that gets people hurt. The following was taken from the discussion on MTBR
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Keeping riders safe is a concern of mine. You always want to live to ride another day. My last run at Platty in '05 I hit a pile of leaves on a trail, there was a log underneath that caught my front wheel and sent me sliding. I landed on my hand and chipped the bone where the thumb and hand meet.
This is an example where a paying customer got injured because of neglect and the kind of thinking that goes on in this thread. Yea it wasn't that bad of an injury, but im sure a similar situation could turn up something worse.
Your comment about the owner of intrawest coming out and building trails is probably one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Typically when you lease property or a building from a bigger company, it is your responsiblitiy to maintain it and do what you need with it to help your company. Go to any Mall, do you see the actual owner of the mall working in footlocker and cleaning windows? Probably not because this is the responsibility of whoever holds the lease for that part of property.
And yes, the lucky Diablo Trail Crew gets to clean up all the garbage left in the parking lot and around the resort by the mountain bike guests.
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 11:47 am
springfish
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This whole discussion can be related to skiing/boarding. The experience you're going to get at Pkill isn't much different in the winter. It's still very raw and "ungroomed". Just the way many people like it.
I don't know about all of you guys, but I LOVE backcountry skiing where you don't have a clear line of sight. Where the mountain still suprises you. Just like a pile of leaves or debris on a trail, the same hazards exist under the POW. While I realize DH and backcountry skiing are extremely different, they still share the same type of mentality. It's high risk, high reward.
I love Plattekill for what it is. It's like a hung-over dirty slut at a truck stop. Get a blow job and you're all good...go for the center pocket and you might end up getting hurt.
The bottom line is it's just another great place to act like a kid.
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 12:04 pm
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Yup. Plattekill isn't an easy place to ride. When I (and the group I ride with) build stunts and trails, we don't build them so they are easy and unchallenging, we build them so they are hard and they are difficult. This also brings along an element of danger, which is part of the fun. That being said, Plattekill is a challenging mountain with challenging trails. I don't go there for a walk in the park, I go there to ride probably the most challenging trails on the east coast, and consequently become a better rider. So if you want to dumb the trails down to your ability level, don't waste your time with Platty, you'll just being ruining it for the rest of us.
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 12:15 pm
jbogner
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No bike park operator will ever get sued successfully for leaf piles covering up trail hazards. That's beyond any reasonable expectation of an owner. DH mountain biking is a dangerous sport, and a reasonable amount of care has to be taken by the participant.
However, planks loose and/or missing from built wooden structures can legally constitue negligence, and there's no waiver in the world where you can sign away your right to sue for negligence. If I were Lazlo, I would not have opened with loose boards in one of the major arteries. But I don't pay his insurance premiums, so that's his call.
In the end, I think most people want to see both spots succeed. No one wants *less* options for riding in the area. And it's great to have two very different styles of riding, both within a reasonable driving distance. A lot of the criticism is people stating what they want out of a DH mountain (which, like it or not, is conditioned by experiences at other local mountains, and bigger spots like Whistler). For any business to succeed, they have to be responsive to their customers, and these forums are part of that customer feedback loop.
I'm thankful people take the time to get their thoughts out there. The worst thing that could happen is that people stop going to one place or another without giving a hint as to why...
Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 12:17 pm
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99.999999% of the mountain bike trails on earth never see a leaf blower. leafs are part of the natural terrain, people wreck due to "rider error".
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 12:21 pm
DHJUNKIE
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yeah hopefully if laz reads some of this stuff he doesnt get to pissed and takes it as some helpful critizism to better his own mtn.
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 12:28 pm
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jonkranked wrote:
Yup. Plattekill isn't an easy place to ride. When I (and the group I ride with) build stunts and trails, we don't build them so they are easy and unchallenging, we build them so they are hard and they are difficult. This also brings along an element of danger, which is part of the fun. That being said, Plattekill is a challenging mountain with challenging trails. I don't go there for a walk in the park, I go there to ride probably the most challenging trails on the east coast, and consequently become a better rider. So if you want to dumb the trails down to your ability level, don't waste your time with Platty, you'll just being ruining it for the rest of us.
I don't think there were any posts in this entire thread asking for easier trails. If you think that maintained trails are not challenging then you have another thing coming. When trails are clear of debris you can push harder and focus on the trail without having to worry about whats around the next corner or if your going to break through some planks on a ladder.
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 4:27 pm
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boogenman wrote:
Gonzo thanks for bringing racism into a otherwise minority friendly forum.
haha EVERYONE just shut up already. talk about your bike, how much you think your average crap weighs or soemthing
i had a crap that looked like you the other day
Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 5:03 pm
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First off I am still amazed about this talk about leaf blowers. WTF do you do with a leaf blower at a mountain????? Are you serious about blowing leaves off the trails? That is sooooo pathetic if that is the case. Second the owner of Diablo is NOT the owner of the Mountain. I believe that is the mega resort known as Intrawest. They pay the taxes, maintain the parking lots, parking staff and sooo much more..... I love constructive feedback but hate when people rant about shit they just dont know about. The attacks against Laz are just uncalled for. "Get of his ass and out on the mountain" Do you ever see the owner of Intrawest out building trails or tunning rental bikes? Do you have the slightest idea what his job is like day to day? This is a mom and pop resort. Not a couple of guys running a bike park behind the curtains of a MEGA resort. So bring on the constructive feedback and drop the talk of Laz being lazy.[/quote]
This i agree with--
First of all- All ur bitching is going to get the Opening Day Next year delayed-- Opening day at plattekill is basically known for cleaning and maintaining the trails
Why didnt all u people that are bitching show up for the work weekend.
Laz is probobly the coolest owner in the world. He is SOOO nice and shouldnnt have to put up with all ur bullshitting.
In trying to help out Laz or whoever is pissed cuz this bitching-
I'm betting all the people that are bitching are like 3 lift days a season people, people who just started riding, or people who actually work at mountain creek and have bias opinions- I didnt really see that many racers there so now that the huckfest is over build a sick ass fast as shit good opening course and the good riders will like it and go to every race
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That is sooooo pathetic if that is the case. Second the owner of Diablo is NOT the owner of the Mountain. I believe that is the mega resort known as Intrawest. They pay the taxes, maintain the parking lots, parking staff and sooo much more..... I love constructive feedback but hate when people rant about shit they just dont know about. The attacks against Laz are just uncalled for. "Get of his ass and out on the mountain" Do you ever see the owner of Intrawest out building trails or tunning rental
